SOME THOUGHTS ON 1-5 YR COMPETITION FROM RAY SCOTT - JACK AGREES, HOW ABOUT YOU - UPDATE: RESPONSE FROM BOWLS NZ


Jack wants to hear your comments on this topic!!!

I am expressing my own personal opinions and not necessarily those of Bowls HB . I am a 4th year junior bowler who is very interested in promoting the sport of bowls . When I started bowling apart from the centre junior singles and pairs 1-5 years , there was only two other club events 1) a 5's and 2) a 2x4x2 ( both very good two day events ).

I talked my club Kia Toa into letting me run a junior classic ( also two days) and it was a huge success with the maximum of 20 teams engaged . I solicited teams from (9) of the (11) clubs in the Bay to participate . From there, I have managed to persuade another (5) clubs to run an event for under 5's .It is creating a very good group of competitive bowlers , and a lot of friendships are being forged along the way . Junior bowlers thrive in a competitive environent against their peers , learning to play "all" the shots and having a go without the critisism of more senior bowlers . I believe this will also encourage more new bowlers into the game as these events cater for their needs . All of these events are single club only to avoid "stacking". This forces the good juniors in the different clubs to "bring on" the less experienced members to improve their teams chances . By now you are probably thinking what has this to do with me ? 

The next step up for these juniors in asperation was to make their centre rep team to try their skills against the other centres . This has been dashed with the canning of the under 8's national tournament . As a consequence of this we have lost our under 5's hexagonal tournament at Whanganui as they convert it to an under 8's tournament to make up for the loss of the national tournament . Basicly two teams have now been crammed into one . While the under 8's are capable of footing it with the senior bowlers ( and a lot of them are in the senior or development teams ) the under 5's are not ( especially for the first couple of years ) . While the confident ones will still enter the centre open events ( even if they get thrashed ) to gain experience , the others need their own level to play in to gain that confidence . 

For the smaller centres , or should I say the more remote centres (HB has the fifth biggest population in NZ ) taking away that tournament has taken away our "pathway" to play at a national level . Truth be known rather than do away with the under 8's , we needed an under 5's as well. It is "only" one tournament a year but it's significance is far greater , to us in the provinces who are unable to benefit from all the things you run in the main centres it's axing is catastrophic . I hope you will revisit this decision , it means a lot to us . You cannot grow a sport from the top down , you need to grow it from the bottom up , let's encourage our juniors to enjoy their bowling and bring their mates into the sport .

Ray Scott 
(From the BHB Region)

RESPONSE:

Thanks for the email Ray

Your comments on the value of Under 5’s versus Under 8’s, are the sort of conversation our sport needs to have.
Should we be promoting Under 5’s ahead of Under 8’s at the national level? should we be promoting regional (not centre) teams? as we have a number of centres without the resources (players and money) to enter InterCentre tournaments.
Should it be Bowls NZ that runs these tournaments? knowing that clubs and centres are better equipped to deliver these tournaments.

These are the sort of conversations our sport needs to have, if we are to grow.

There will be some form of Junior programme in future seasons, I assure you.
Let’s simply see if we can provide it in a better, more accessible format than existing.

Again, I am appreciative of the feedback.


Kind Regards,

Mark Cameron

CEO, Bowls New Zealand



Comments

  1. Very Good points Ray. While the National 1 to 8 tournament may have been cannned I have strong hopes the new "Bowls3five" format advocated by Bowls New Zeal;and will provide the all pathways and format necessary to advance to a National level. All levels withing bowls need to embrace this exciting new format. Bring it on I say.

    Keith Turner
    Junior bowler

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  2. Hi Ray, Greg Oldridge from Manawatu - ngoldridge1@xtra.co.nz - couldn't agree with you more. Would be really interested in coming up to some of your events and having a chat with you.

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  3. I agree totally. We should be encouraging our Junior bowlers to grow the sport of Lawn Bowls. The under 5's and under 8's are awesome tournaments, we should continue with whats working well and not take them away.
    Good on you Ray Scott for speaking out.

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  4. The travesty of losing the John Flett Trophy in the 1990s has been repeated again...

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  5. "The next step up for these juniors in asperation was to make their centre rep team to try their skills against the other centres . This has been dashed with the canning of the under 8's national tournament . As a consequence of this we have lost our under 5's hexagonal tournament at Whanganui as they convert it to an under 8's tournament to make up for the loss of the national tournament . Basicly two teams have now been crammed into one "

    I also do agree with the dropping of the under 8's intercentre however I was not aware that the U5 at Wanganui was being dropped as well. I support having a 1-8 Hexagonal at the same time as the Seniors in February. I believe that the Centres need to be proactive with 8 year and under bowls. There is no reason that the U 8 hexagonal if it is being run could not be a qualifier for a National under 8 final. All it needs is for Centre to talk about it and organise something. Once it is in place there is no reason why centres could not fundraise and get grants to keep the costs to a minimum.

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    1. anyone who speaks of funding and grants as something that can easily be plucked from the air is dreaming and has obviously not attempted to get funding themselves. talk is easy. reps should contribute toward their own expenses in my book, most other sports do!

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    2. Anonymous I speak from experience and one that as part of a team raised over $20,000 to bring a team of 10 players and 4 managers to a representative match against the State of Victoria under 18 years. Getting grants and sponsorship is not plucked from the air you need to put the work in to achieve it.

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    3. Anton Ferrari - why can't you do your own fundraising like every other code does. I'm sure the centre has better things to apply for funding than rep expenses. I suggest these individuals get off their butts and do their own fundraising and stop whining and looking for handouts.

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  6. Here at the Glen Eden Bowling Club we found amongst Jnr players that they were looking for more opportunities to compete amongst folks of similar experience; the year ones didn't like always loosing to the year eights. So we ran a Yrs 1-3 tournament. We got 16 teams on the green and the players had a great day on the green. The year threes were all asking if we could extend it to a yr1-4 next year because they enjoyed themselves so much (the answer was no). The players seem to have gone back to their own clubs and pushed for similar events as there have been a few more of these tournaments since. Bottom line clubs need to find out what members want and try and make it happen.

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